Ballistics, as they say, are king, so I’m giving the ultimate nod to the .243 Win. as well. can reach out even further. It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. I like having the extra power and range for medium-sized animals, and I don’t see much downside for varmint hunting. are synonymous with both deer and varmint hunting, so we decided to pit them against each other to see who comes out on top. 10 Early Ice Fishing Walleye Tactics That Will Put You on the Bite. wins hands-down. Ballistics The ideal coyote hunting cartridge is flat shooting, highly accurate, and won’t ruin pelts. Recoil of the 350 Legend will be almost exactly the same as 243. produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. The long, sharply pointed, sleek, boat-tailed shape of the Berger Very Low Drag 243 bullet minimizes air drag. BTHP T2 TAP 5.56 NATO. Above that recoil becomes increasingly intrusive. October 28, 2019. I am going with the 7mm-08 but 243 is another option. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. double in price. wins the availability battle. Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldn’t have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. Yea id be lookin at a 223 even tho i got mine a 243. .223 recoil is about 3 or 4 pounds,.243 is around 8.5 to 11, and 30/30 is about 10 to 12. chachaseeds New Member. The weight and build of the gun is just as important as the cartridge. Theoretically, if all other variables (e.g. Shooters who would never think of shooting a .416 Rem. The reason I say bypass the youth model is because seems what most people choose for a youth model is the crack barrel rifles. The longer you shoot, and the harder the rifle kicks, the more likely you are to flinch. It’s better suited for varmint hunting than big game hunting, but a 62-grain Fusion or even a 55-grain Trophy Copper would reliably take down a whitetail given proper shot placement. If you're looking for a cheap shooting round to acclimate you to shooting, the .223 is cheap, and the .22LR is cheaper yet. Which caliber do you guys think recoils more/ has more muzzle rise? But even with full power stuff like Hornady 75 gr. Big bucks, land management, rut reports, and tips for the whitetail obsessed. That gun’s modern military counterpart, the 5.56 NATO, has been in continuous use by militaries around the world since the early 1960s. wins in a landslide. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. But your past doesn’t define you, and it doesn’t define these calibers either. As Chuck Hawks notes in his great recoil table, the .223 Rem. Re: .223 vs .243 please. Let him try the 30-30. Energy. “Versatility” refers to both range of bullet weights available and range of actions chambered in a specific cartridge. Shootability In non-pandemic times, the .223 Rem. The .223 Rem. I'm gonna put him behind the 30-30 this weekend and see how he handles that, then make a decision based on that. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Then of course there’s the long range rock star competitive round 6.5 Creedmoor against the .223/5.56 combat load issue of the military and well known among recreational shooters. vs. .30-06 Springfield. And the Winner Is… Federal lists only two .223 Rem. It’s a small-to-medium sized game caliber whose primary use has been taking down four-legged rather than two-legged critters. has slightly less range in terms of bullet weights (40 grain to 75 grain), but it covers basically the same ground. Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by chachaseeds, Oct 1, 2011. All rights reserved. can maintain enough velocity to take varmint and medium-sized game out to 250 yards, or the distance at which the bullet is still travelling about 2,300 fps, according to Frank C. Barnes’ “Cartridges of the World.” But that range doesn’t apply to every bullet. You might also notice how the 243 deflects less in the wind than not only the 30-30, but even the 150-grain .308. 14 0 0. Barnes lists 12 bullet weights commercially available for .243 Win., ranging from a 55-grain boat tail to a 105-grain hollow-point boat tail. In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. It's got a hard plastic butt plate. 6.5 Creedmoor vs 223 Inside the gun community there are always talks about which is the better caliber, such as .308 vs the .243 or 9mm against the .45 ACP. Don't discount the .243 Winchester as a long range cartridge. Those sumbucks can packa lot bigger punch than a full size in the same caliber. I like the .260 or 7mm-08 better than a .243 personally. Here’s a look at three of the best. is a classic Army brat. I would take the 6 CM over the .243, but the .243 has better ammo availability. I must admit it was convenient getting in and out of stands with the stock collapsed on the ar. Great rifle, adjustable length stock, adjustable trigger, guaranteed to shoot under 1 inch at 100 yds, and priced under 500.00 online. By Ron Spomer. Depends what the main shooting will be, if primearely a deer rifle 243 but 223 is going to be alot cheaper to run in factory ammo which means more practice and bunnys hares etc and still ok for deer with well placed shots. Still, when comparing cartridges, foot-pounds of energy is a helpful way of describing the weight of a projectile and how fast it’s moving. Average Recoil (ft.lb) Like with the smaller data set, the.270 Win rounds are producing a much greater amount of recoil energy than the.243 Win, on average. It is more than double that of the 30-30 slug. Survival. A .223 Rem. All I've been looking at are youth models. Taking a look at the lightest handload for each caliber, for the .243 Winchester, it’s a 55-grain bullet on top of 50 grains of Hodgdon H414. .223 recoil is about 3 or 4 pounds, .243 is around 8.5 to 11, and 30/30 is about 10 to 12. That’s a 22.39% higher muzzle energy compared to the .243 Winchester at the expense of having 20.64% higher recoil impulse and 28.24% higher recoil energy. The .243 Win. When it comes to the 223 vs 243 recoil, you may find that hunting with a 243 may tire you out after a long day, but the 223 Remington is a faithful and easy to handle companion you’ll be glad to have by your side. Talk it up big before letting him use it and get him excited about it and not scared. vs. .243 Win. But you're still talking about 10-11 ft lbs of recoil, which isn't much. For many hunters, the .223 Rem. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. Various calibers. Hunting . That way it's a win win. The recoil kinetic energy figures below are taken from the Rifle Recoil Table and the Shotgun Recoil Table. Vs. .22-250 Rem. When it comes to availability, it’s always good to bet on the NATO caliber. Copyright @2020 TigerDroppings.com. was designed as both a light deer rifle and a varmint cartridge—it can hold its own against high-velocity .22-calibers but still provide enough oomph to take down larger animals. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .223 Remington round averages out to 1250 ft-lb, while a .243 Winchester round averages out to about 1950 ft-lb. Versatility for about 30 cents per round, now you’ll be lucky to find anything in stock below 60 cents. .243 or 6 CM are good choices. To claim that Alexander Arms created and mass-produced the 6.5 Grendel to surpass the performance of the native 5.56 mm NATO/ 223 Remington cartridges created the buzz of comparison between the native ammo vs the newer one. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. You can find lever, bolt, and semi-auto rifles chambered in both actions. The .243 Win. Another plus to an ar-15 is length of pull adjustability and lighter weight. I think you let him try the 30/30 and if that works, and you want to buy him a youth model rifle then the .243 would be perfect. The recoil was a moot point in this test, and most hunters won’t wear out a barrel in less than three generations. But for purposes of this comparison, I’d give the edge to the .243 Win. Also look into 7mm-08 reduced recoil for him. The prices on Federal’s website don’t appear to have risen, but elsewhere I’ve seen .223 Rem. As you can see, the.243 Winchester has significantly less recoil than the 6.5 Creedmoor. Any factory load you get for the.308 Win is going to produce more recoil than a.243 Win round. by contrast achieves only about 1,400 foot-pounds of energy by throwing a 75-grain projectile 2,900 fps. Maybe with the 77gr TMK on close shots with little chance of hitting bone. is the obvious winner. Note that the most powerful shotgun loads generate recoil comparable to elephant rifle cartridges. With the 200 grain subsonic, recoil on the 300 Blackout is just barely more than 223 if you have same-weight rifles. Where before this year you could find .223 Rem. In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. Again, nothing wrong with 30-30 i use mine more than any deer rifle i own. More Guns. Next year I am moving my 10 year old up to this. More Guns. is the most popular rifle in America, and Weatherby offers tack-driving bolt guns in both calibers in a wide variety of configurations. I have a Remington 700BDL in .270. Bullet diameter: .243 in (6.2 mm) Case length: 2.045 in (51.9 mm) Twist: 1-10, 1-8 Availability: Great 6 year olds can handle it without a doubt. The recoil is slightly more then a .243 and is comparable to a 7mm-08. Recoil charts are great but they ignore a huge factor in felt recoil which is the fit of the gun. Factory ammo can be had for less than half what it costs to feed a 22-250 or a .243 Win. At the same time, the 223 Remington does a pretty reliable job at 100 yards because it was designed for close-quarter combat with the low recoil. As Chuck Hawks notes in his great recoil table, the .223 Rem. My some has a .243 but, I didn't buy it for him, my FNL did. I use it when I climb or hunt loc-ons. That’s still not a heck of a lot to start with and it helps make this round a great recoil-sensitive, range-limited rifle round. Since you already have the .30-30 let him try it. In his excellent handbook, “Cartridges of the World,” Frank C. Barnes describes the .30-0... Our picks for the week’s best hunting, fishing, wild foods, and conservation content. Added powder increases velocity and energy, which translates to what the Internet calls “knock-down power” (more on that later). My wife has a Rem Model 7 youth .260 and I LOVE it!! The .243 will have substantially greater energy, but if she's very recoil sensitive an 18" or 20" ar-15 will definitely have less recoil. Hunting . Thinking about getting one for myself for something different. The .243 Win. The .260 is less recoil than the .308, and is 1000 yard capable. load will reliably kill a deer out to 500 yards. On average, the.308 Winchester is producing right around eleven more ft.lbs of force than the.243 Win rounds. It's also 1000 yard capable, and has low recoil , lower than the .260 Rem. “Shootability” is a broad term we’re using to mean “how available is this caliber and how comfortable is it to shoot?”. 243 Winchester Overview. That is a fine round and something he can use along time! In the 110-130 grain supersonic rounds, it’s nearly 50% more. But this is a tad misleading because the .223 loses velocity much faster than the .224. While the media loves to portray this as a ‘huge assault bullet’ and only meant for use in warfare, the truth is that a .223 round is a relatively small and not particularly powerful. I shot at some steel prarie dogs at our local gun shop and the .223 recoil is so mild that it allows for great follow up shots. The .243 Win. If your .30/30 is not a full size gun, I wouldn't let him shoot it. Use anything from 55gr pills for the small stuff up to 95gr pills which are hard hitting for bigger things. November 11, 2019. i would just see if he likes the 30-30 before i got the 243. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. What deals are you seeing in the 243? With a little over 8ft.lbs of recoil energy, you will definitely be able to tell a difference when shooting these two cartridges. I don't want to modify this rifle from its stock configuration. would be the clear winner. M1A in .308. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by sixshooterfan, Jan 1, 2009. The recoil is still no problemo. So the .223 and .243 are very different cartridges. Ok guys, we're wrapping up this hunting season next weekend. With dozens of countries relying on the .223/5.56 to arm their infantry, there’s usually plenty of it to go around. Latest. Mag. 300 Blackout vs 223 Recoil. Academy, Bass Pro, and Gander mountain seem to have the best deals right now. produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. cartridges are currently listed as available. I don't like the .223 for whitetail. Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270 by in2anity » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:29 am Speaking as someone who grew up on a largish (3000acre) working property near Dunedoo, most dead stuff out in the paddocks stays where it falls. It is very mild. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). You’ll probably pay twice as much per round as .223 Rem., but at least you’ll have something to shoot. can’t kill a deer past 220 yards. Coyote Cartridges: .223 Rem. My .30/30 lever action 336 kicks worse than my bolt action .270. Thanks for all the input guys. The .223 Rem. It was developed in 1957 for an experimental rifle known as the AR-15. In this comparison, the .243 Win. In my testing, the .223’s velocity was 128-fps faster on average at 50 yards. Also, the effects of recoil are cumulative. I've killed deer over 300 yards with it too. This runs counter to another popular misconception — that … The .243 Win. In 2020, .243 Win. Fishing. But if you need other suggestions: M1 Garand in .30-06, I just had mine out today sighting in for deer hunting. Generally speaking, a heavier bullet travelling faster will give you a better chance of putting down an animal. But this is not a normal year. And can feel the difference in recoil between premium LE ammo, same weight, in .223 vs 5.56. is the obvious winner. cartridges as “available” to order online: the 53-grain Varmint and Predator and the 69 grain Gold Medal Match. He currently shoots a .223 bolt action like a pro. The latter two are more common, but Henry makes a sweet lever gun called the “Long Ranger” in both calibers. I’m also not saying your .223 Rem. Thanks for posting. A 243 Winchester versus 7mm-08 Remington match-up will cause some readers to raise the "apples to oranges" red flag, but that doesn't mean this comparison is out-of-bounds. That extends the maximum effective range all the way to 350 yards, depending on your velocity at the muzzle. The short, stumpy, round nose form of the 30-30 wastes its energy pushing air. A .243 Win. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Oct 1, 2011 #1 . .223 AR-15 recoil vs. 9mm AR-15? 10lb rifle with little recoil, 3" groups at 100 yards. The first time I shot a .223, I was expecting the recoil of say a .243 or even a .270. The recoil barely affects him, he says it doesn't kick at all. My son will turn 6 next month and weighs 58lbs. The majority of the cartridges use bullets ranging from 85 to 105 grain, and Federal’s offerings follow that trend. Vs. .243 Win. Good riddance, I say. was developed by Winchester in 1955 for use in its Model 70 bolt-action and Model 88 lever-action rifles. 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The .243 Win. Bypass the youth model(unless its a decent bolt gun that you can put a adult stock on later) and get a 7mm-08. Every major manufacturer makes a bolt gun in both calibers, so that’s not a distinguishing factor. 270 vs. 243 recoil. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional to recoil. Federal’s 55-grain Trophy Cooper, for example, has a minimum velocity for full expansion of only 1,800 fps. Joined: Mar 4, 2008 Messages: 29. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of … Buy the 243 or 7mm 08. Heavy as hell means lighter recoil. Maximum effective range is another way to compare one caliber to another. sixshooterfan Member. Latest. Ballistically speaking, these calibers would be cousins rather than brothers. I think you let him try the 30/30 and if that works, and you want to buy him a youth model rifle then the.243 would be perfect. 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